Topic: Best female player to never win a slam

There are a lot of great players over the years who have won tournaments on the WTATour, but never a slam.

Who is the best among those players?

2019 RG Yoda Cup Co-Champion
2016 Yoda Cup Guru
2015 USO Yoda Cup Champion
2014 AO Yoda Cup Champion

Re: Best female player to never win a slam

My vote is for Dementieva. Her serve was a huge liability, but her groundstrokes were money. A shame she never won any of the GS', nerves seemed to always get in the way.

Last edited by Wimbledonut (Aug. 29, 2013 7:05am)

2019 RG Yoda Cup Co-Champion
2016 Yoda Cup Guru
2015 USO Yoda Cup Champion
2014 AO Yoda Cup Champion

Re: Best female player to never win a slam

Zheng Jie. <3

-Arvis

Re: Best female player to never win a slam

Nadia Petrova

Re: Best female player to never win a slam

chuck_norris8 wrote:

Nadia Petrova

>.>

Re: Best female player to never win a slam

What is that reaction for?

Re: Best female player to never win a slam

Petrova is an Excellent tennis player, you should make a face at YOUR pick tongue

Re: Best female player to never win a slam

chuck_norris8 wrote:

you should make a face at YOUR pick tongue

Actually, I should, because Zheng Jie HAS won Grand Slams.  In doubles.  Petrova hasn't even done that.  Not to mention that Petrova and Zheng have the same number of Grand Slam semifinal appearances (2) despite Petrova having had 5 more years on the pro tour than Zheng.  So who REALLY is the better player, hmmmm???

.........Petrova, actually, because she has 13 career Singles titles on the WTA tour and Zheng has 4. *sigh*

-Arvis

Re: Best female player to never win a slam

By the way, Dementieva was a good choice for this subject.  I miss her.

-Arvis

Re: Best female player to never win a slam

Yeah, she was a great player. Her best chance was against Kuznetsova at the 04 USO Final. She also should have beaten Serena in the semis of AO a few years ago. Oh well...

2019 RG Yoda Cup Co-Champion
2016 Yoda Cup Guru
2015 USO Yoda Cup Champion
2014 AO Yoda Cup Champion

Re: Best female player to never win a slam

didn't she lose a French Open Final against Myskina back in 2004? That was THE russian year: Masha, Kuzi and Myskina winning slams, Dementieva losing two GS finals.

2016: Rey Saber, Lord Vader, Supreme Jedi, Yoda Crew player of the year
2014: Lord Vader, King Droid, Naboo Champion, Yoda Crew player of the year
2013: Yoda Cup Wimbledon champion, Yoda Cup Guru Runner-up
2012: Yoda Cup Wimbledon champion

Re: Best female player to never win a slam

A healthy Dementieva would have beaten Schiavone and Stosur easily at 2010(?) French Open.  Retiring in the semis to Schiavone was one of the saddest things I have ever seen.  Super-happy for Schiavone to take that and turn it into a GS win, but still.  Poor Dementieva.

Also, Adunar, I didn't start following tennis until 2008.

-Arvis

Re: Best female player to never win a slam

Yes, you're right. As an aside, I see Bartoli as a modern-day Myskina-win your first slam, then abruptly retire.

Also, it should be noted that Dementieva's serve ACTUALLY improved a bit. She got such a bad rap, but once the ball was in play, she was an excellent ball striker and mover.

Last edited by Wimbledonut (Jan. 17, 2014 4:00pm)

2019 RG Yoda Cup Co-Champion
2016 Yoda Cup Guru
2015 USO Yoda Cup Champion
2014 AO Yoda Cup Champion

Re: Best female player to never win a slam

You have missed a lot of great tennis, Arvis, but glad you started following in 2008.

2019 RG Yoda Cup Co-Champion
2016 Yoda Cup Guru
2015 USO Yoda Cup Champion
2014 AO Yoda Cup Champion

Re: Best female player to never win a slam

Speaking of Russians, Safina and Zvonareva could have won a couple too. I was going to put "should have", but they were outplayed in their matches. Dementieva had winnable matches against other players playing in their first GS finals.

2019 RG Yoda Cup Co-Champion
2016 Yoda Cup Guru
2015 USO Yoda Cup Champion
2014 AO Yoda Cup Champion

Re: Best female player to never win a slam

I bought a Playstation 3 in early 2008 and didn't have much to play on it besides Virtua Tennis 3.  I arbitrarily chose Roger Federer as my doubles partner, because he was from Switzerland and I thought that seemed like a "neutral" choice.  Playing and winning lots of doubles with him made me feel kind of attached to him.
Then I decided to read up on the real-life Roger Federer and was shocked at what I discovered.  Not only were people calling him one of the greatest ever, but he had this great rivalry with another of the players in the game, some Spanish guy named Nadal who I never thought was anything special (in the game I had something like 8 wins a row against him).

So I was like "I'm going to follow tennis and see how Federer does."

So I did.  Just in time for Wimbledon 2008.  We all know what happened there.

But an unintended side effect of this was discovering Zheng Jie, who I fell madly in love with during that same tournament and is just as responsible as Federer for my love of tennis.  That's the whole story.

-Arvis

Re: Best female player to never win a slam

What a great story, Arvis! I hope you get to meet them both (Zheng Jie and Roger Federer) one day.

My dad and I played tennis when I was a teenager, and I got into watching matches and following players. I started watching a little over two decades ago, when there was no tennis channel or internet streaming matches. (I sound like an old man). Anyway, the match that had an impact on me was watching Ivanisevic finally win Wimbledon in 2001 and embrace his dad. Made me think about how I would be if I won Wimbledon.

Last edited by Wimbledonut (Jan. 18, 2014 5:57am)

2019 RG Yoda Cup Co-Champion
2016 Yoda Cup Guru
2015 USO Yoda Cup Champion
2014 AO Yoda Cup Champion

Re: Best female player to never win a slam

Dont remind Don this kind of match...

I also watched that incredible Ivanisevic-Rafter final, so much tension!
I started playing tennis at 5 yo and.. I'm still playing. I started following tennis closely when Roger came up in something like 1999 or 2000.

2016: Rey Saber, Lord Vader, Supreme Jedi, Yoda Crew player of the year
2014: Lord Vader, King Droid, Naboo Champion, Yoda Crew player of the year
2013: Yoda Cup Wimbledon champion, Yoda Cup Guru Runner-up
2012: Yoda Cup Wimbledon champion

Re: Best female player to never win a slam

Adunar, I don't play as much as I'd like, but tennis is definitely my favorite sport to play AND watch.

Don must have wanted Patrick to win that Final? In the end, Patrick got his slams too (two). smile

Last edited by Wimbledonut (Jan. 18, 2014 6:00am)

2019 RG Yoda Cup Co-Champion
2016 Yoda Cup Guru
2015 USO Yoda Cup Champion
2014 AO Yoda Cup Champion

Re: Best female player to never win a slam

Yes, but he never won Wimbledon..

2016: Rey Saber, Lord Vader, Supreme Jedi, Yoda Crew player of the year
2014: Lord Vader, King Droid, Naboo Champion, Yoda Crew player of the year
2013: Yoda Cup Wimbledon champion, Yoda Cup Guru Runner-up
2012: Yoda Cup Wimbledon champion

Re: Best female player to never win a slam

True, and with his classic serve and volley game, it is a shame.

2019 RG Yoda Cup Co-Champion
2016 Yoda Cup Guru
2015 USO Yoda Cup Champion
2014 AO Yoda Cup Champion

Re: Best female player to never win a slam

Dementieva didn't win a slam,  but she did snag a gold medal. That should count for something...

Re: Best female player to never win a slam

How have I missed this thread till now??

Arvis, Wimbledonut... great testimonials!  Love it!

2017 Supreme Jedi, 2017 Lord Vader, 2017 Chivalrous Wookie, 2015 Naboo Champion, 2018 Big Fat Nothing

Re: Best female player to never win a slam

As to the greatest female never to win a SINGLES slam...

It would be hard to overlook Andrea Jaeger - two slam finals before age 18 - before being forced out due to injury and perhaps a little craziness...  she had huge talent that never came to fruition.

Rosie Casals is tied for first in 'top 10 index' in the open era among non-slam winners.  'Top 10 index' is the sum of top 10 yearend rankings a player achieves in their career - 10 points for #1, 9 points for #2... etc... 1 point for #10.  So her 50 pts in 'top 10 index' represent something like 10 years in the top 10.

Tied with her is Pam Shriver, who is also worthy of mention here.  However, she only ever made the one slam final... at age 16.

Next up in a tie for 3rd place at 32 pts are Wendy Turnbull and Caroline Wozniacki.  All these players have logged some serious top 10 time without bagging a slam, especially Wozniacki who finished yearend #1 twice... and her career is not over...

Helena Sukova should also be mentioned.  She has the dubious distinction of making 4 slam finals without ever claiming a title - a unique feat in the open era - 1984 AO, 1986 USO, 1989 AO, 1993 USO.

She was matched by one player in the pre-open era, Jan Lehane, who made 4 consecutive Aus finals, losing them all to Margaret Court.  Lehane played in the much more limited fields in the AO than did Sukova or the other players I've mentioned, and never really made that much of a mark on the international stage.

One of the greatest players never to win a singles slam was Elizabeth Ryan who played mostly in the 1920's and was a contemporary of GOAT candidates, Suzanne Lenglen and Helen Wills.  When Lenglen (who only lost once between 1919 and 1926) turned pro to play a tour with Mary Browne, Hotchkiss (I believe) said that the tour wouldn't be too exciting, but if Lenglen were playing E Ryan, she would pay to see it.  Ryan won 19 Wimbledon  doubles titles, and the Irish open, which was almost a major in those days.  She lost 3 singles slam finals, and was definitely a top player of her day.  There's a great story about her fleeing Russia at the start of the 1917 revolution, after playing a series of tournaments, and trading away her trophies for her life so she could escape.

Rose Payten was a brilliant Australian player at the turn of the 20th century... she played in the pre-slam era and won a raft of Australian (NSW, QLD, etc) titles before the Aus Open was established for women in 1922.  Karoly Mazak ranks her in the world top 10 for 7 or 8 years, reaching a high of #3.  She probably would have won slam titles given the opportunity.

And no list of 'best without a slam' can be complete without mention of the great Irish player, Louisa Martin.  She was ranked in the top 10 something like 19 years, including 2-6 years as #1 (depending on who you ask).  She won 9 titles at the Irish championships which would have been about as important as a slam in those days (1880's - 1900's), but of course, doesn't show up in most record books - they didn't really have slams then...  Indisputably Martin was one of the greatest players ever...

So my vote is with Louisa Martin, and in the open era, Andrea Jaeger.

2017 Supreme Jedi, 2017 Lord Vader, 2017 Chivalrous Wookie, 2015 Naboo Champion, 2018 Big Fat Nothing

Re: Best female player to never win a slam

Great post CHarles, an education...

Yoda Cups: Roland Garros 15, 18, 20; Wimbledon 17; US Open 20; Yoda Guru 2021
Obi Wan Master 16, 17, 20 Lord Vader 15
Han Solo Captain 19, 20
Player of the Year 17, 20