Re: Best female player to never win a slam

dwightcharles wrote:

How have I missed this thread till now??

Arvis, Wimbledonut... great testimonials!  Love it!

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Re: Best female player to never win a slam

Wozniacki is the best never to win a slam - #1 for over a year but no big 4 - Maybe 2017 Wimbledon..!!!

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Re: Best female player to never win a slam

Someone else has suggested Radwanska or dementieva - I still have Wozniacki - Can we use the system from the mens post on this subject to resolve..???

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Re: Best female player to never win a slam

My heart says Elena, but the numbers say Aggie.  Well, the numbers say Pam Shriver, but I was more looking at the modern game, which is so different.

But maybe not.  Maybe I'm not giving Shriver her due.

Re: Best female player to never win a slam

I compared top players from all eras to see what their match winning ratio at slams were.  This is the number of matches won in slams for every match lost.  My list does not include every player who every played a slam match but it is fairly comprehensive.

Here's the list for non-slam winners:
Elizabeth Ryan 3.00
MJFernandez 3.00
Andrea Jaeger 2.83
ARadwanska 2.67
Dementieva 2.59
MaleevaFragniere 2.58
Wozniacki 2.41
ZGarrison 2.37
Rosie Casals 2.33
Louisa Martin 2.33
HSukova 2.31
Shriver 2.27
Zvonareva 2.26
AHuber 2.23
Vaidisova 2.20
Bouchard 2.18
SKormoczy 2.17

Last edited by dwightcharles (Jul. 13, 2017 9:24pm)

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Re: Best female player to never win a slam

here's the top end of the same list - including slam winners (down to ratio of 5.00)

LDod - 9-0 in slams
Lenglen 59.00 (59-1)
HWills 43.00 (129-3)
Connolly 26.00 (52-2)
MCourt 9.00
Graf 8.69
PBetz 8.60
Evert 8.11
Marble 7.67
SWilliams 7.35
Navratilova 6.22
Bueno 5.81
Seles 5.81
Gibson 5.56
Hart 5.04
Henin 5.04

Players I left off this list for playing in the early years of tennis, playing too few matches, or playing mostly at AusOpen are: Ackhurst (8.00), MWatson (7.00), Buttsworth (6.50), Cahill (6.00)

Last edited by dwightcharles (Jul. 13, 2017 9:44pm)

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Re: Best female player to never win a slam

Very comprehensive list and great research - Looks like Radwanska could be the answer here...

Absolutely would go with Graf in the slam list - Interesting that Evert is ahead of Williams and Navratilova..!!!

Its sad that Gabriella Sabitini didn't make the Slam List..!!!

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Re: Best female player to never win a slam

Slam ratio (win/loss) for active players:

SWilliams 7.35
Sharapova 4.16
VWilliams 3.89
Azarenka 3.13
Li 2.90 (recently ret)
Muguruza 2.82
ARadwanska 2.67
Kuznetsova 2.65
Kvitova 2.47
Wozniacki 2.41
Zvonareva 2.26
Bouchard 2.18
Kerber 2.16
Jankovic 2.04
Halep 2.00
Keys 1.90
Ostapenko 1.88
Stephens 1.86
Suarez Navarro 1.86
Cibulkova 1.85
Makarova 1.80
Lisicki 1.62
Stosur 1.60
Schiavone 1.59

Other notables
Svitolina 1.50
Konta 1.47
KaPliskova 1.38
Bacsinszky 1.37
Pavlyuchenkova 1.36
Vandeweghe 0.93

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Re: Best female player to never win a slam

Murreee wrote:

Very comprehensive list and great research - Looks like Radwanska could be the answer here...

Absolutely would go with Graf in the slam list - Interesting that Evert is ahead of Williams and Navratilova..!!!

Its sad that Gabriella Sabitini didn't make the Slam List..!!!

Other recent players

Hingis 4.78
Clijsters 4.26
Sabatini 3.90
ASV 3.89
Davenport 3.81
Mandlikova 3.55
Capriati 3.50
Mauresmo 3.05
Novotna 3.04
Pierce 2.84
Martinez 2.76

Last edited by dwightcharles (Jul. 13, 2017 10:11pm)

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Re: Best female player to never win a slam

As I described above, my votes for best female without a slam go to

Louisa Martin
Elizabeth Ryan
Andrea Jaeger

Other notables:
MJFernandez
HSukova
Casals
Wozniacki
ARadwanska

Last edited by dwightcharles (Jul. 13, 2017 10:14pm)

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Re: Best female player to never win a slam

I looked at another metric - total of WTA points in all slam performances:  W 2000, RU 1300, SF 780 etc.  I applied the formula to all in my database past and present - so for instance Navratilova and Helen Wills got these points too, even though such point systems were not used in their day. 

Instead of just rewarding win/loss ratio, this rewards how deep a player went and also how much they played

Results:
1. Evert 71,960 pts
2. Navratilova 69,140
3. SWilliams 66,400
4. Graf 64,220
5. Court 63,480
6. BJKing 45,110
7. HWills 43,970
8. VWilliams 41,840
9. Doris Hart 36,430
10. SanchezVicario 34,460
11. Goolagong 34,120
12. Seles 33,950
13. Helen Jacobs 33,880
14. Louise Brough 33,180
15. Maria Bueno 31,430
16. Sharapova 29,990
17. Davenport 28,870
18. Hingis 28,250
19. HaydonJones 28,150
20. Henin 27,560

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Re: Best female player to never win a slam

Using this total WTA points metric (at slams) for non-slam winners: (cut-off=8,500)

HSukova 17,090
MJFernandez 16,540
Casals 16,370
Shriver 14,960
ERyan 14,090
Dementieva 13,960
Turnbull 13,850
ZGarrison 13,760
ARadwanska 12,470
TegartDalton 12,110
Jankovic 11,610
Wozniacki 11,130
MMaleevaFragniere 10,270
Petrova 10,000
NZvereva 9,850
HGourlayCawley 9,710
AHuber 9,430
Tauziat 9,200
Zvonareva 9,160
Kohde-Kilsch 9,030
Coetzer 8,900
Schnyder 8,900
Jaeger 8,570
FrommholtzBalestrat 8,560
Safina 8,520

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Active Players: (cut-off=7,000)

SWilliams 66,400
VWilliams 41,840
Sharapova 29,990
Kuznetsova 17,900
Azarenka 15,930
ARadwanska 12,470
Jankovic 11,610
Wozniacki 11,130
Kvitova 11,030
Kerber 10,960
Schiavone 10,920
Stosur 10,360
Zvonareva 9,160
Hantuchova 7,940
Halep 7,570
Muguruza 7,190
Cibulkova 7,060
Vinci 7,010

Other notables
Makarova 6,780
Errani 6,470
Safarova 5,840
Lisicki 5,790
CSN 5,500
Bouchard 4,550
Pavlyuchenkova 4,340
Bacsinszky 4,060
Pironkova 3,980
Vesnina 3,780
Stephens 3,630
KaPliskova 3,530
LucicBaroni 3,460
Keys 3,380
Ostapenko 2,740
Konta 2,690
Vandeweghe 2,650
Svitolina 2,460

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Re: Best female player to never win a slam

I'm having way too much fun with this...

One last metric.  It's the average WTA points (per slam played) from slam matches (as above).  So take the above number and divide by the number of slams played.

Overall:
LDod 2000
Wills 1832
Lenglen 1665
Connolly 1649
Betz 1434
Court 1351
Evert 1285
Graf 1189
Jacobs 1130
Hart 1103
Marble 1052
Navratilova 1031
SWilliams 1006
Leaving off a lot of the early players

Active players:
SWilliams 1006
Sharapova 612
VWilliams 558
Azarenka 388
Muguruza 378
Kvitova 306
Ostapenko 304
Kuznetsova 303
Kerber 281
ARadwanska 277
Wozniacki 271
Halep 261
Bouchard 253
Zvonareva 234
Jankovic 211

Other notables:
Stosur 185
Cibulkova 181
Konta 179
Lisicki 170
Makarova 170
Keys 169
KaPliskova 168
Stephens 165
Schiavone 163
CSN 157
Bacsinszky 135
Safarova 124
Svitolina 123
Vandeweghe 98

Last edited by dwightcharles (Jul. 13, 2017 11:18pm)

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Re: Best female player to never win a slam

Fascinating stuff Dwight, as always. Thanks for sharing. I'd forgotten the consistency of players like Hantuchova and Zvonareva. Quite miss Vera and her comfort towel!

Re: Best female player to never win a slam

This is all very well, but where's the evidence?

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Re: Best female player to never win a slam

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This is all very well, but where's the evidence?

ROFL!!!

VERY funny TE! smile

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Re: Best female player to never win a slam

Jaeger has a great case, definitely a case of what might've been given how short her career was. Excellent research!

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